tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post4425993520198810790..comments2024-02-14T08:24:47.509-06:00Comments on On the Fence: Administrator-Scholars: Do They Have a Future in the Academy?E.W.http://www.blogger.com/profile/17106082488141824066noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-34545287498125548772010-11-10T13:13:46.588-06:002010-11-10T13:13:46.588-06:00Anonymous here -- I'm pleasantly surprised to ...Anonymous here -- I'm pleasantly surprised to get responses to that bitter comment (I thought it was well after the blog-post expiration date). It's funny -- I think if I'd come across it, it would have pissed me off too. Not only do I agree that this is all about pay, and needing more of it, but I'm doing pretty much everything I criticized (except working out, ugh). We don't have real choices in the matter -- that is, living out "cultural studies bullshit" isn't a real choice. I totally agree. It just makes me bitter that there's seemingly no hope for collective action, and that for now seeking to enter fields that are still majority-male remains such a good strategy for boosting your income. But as long as feminization = devaluation, I fear that this strategy is going to keep failing in the long run.<br /><br />I guess nursing is an interesting counterexample, though, of a field that has managed to gain in prestige and average salary over the past half-century or more. So maybe there's hope. Anyway, best of luck to all of you -- I think you're doing the right thing. It just depresses and worries me that this is the right thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-3877358225638558432010-10-30T09:29:03.017-05:002010-10-30T09:29:03.017-05:00Thanks, Caitlin! I agree with you, I'd be more...Thanks, Caitlin! I agree with you, I'd be more than happy to work in an "icky" field if it paid well. Wouldn't bother me in the least. I would love to work as an editor for a commercial or academic press, for example, but am turned off by the very low salaries. If I was still 22, the salaries or the gender issue probably wouldn't bother me that much. But as a 30-something with a PhD, debt, and a family to support, I know find myself weighing my options more carefully. Thankfully there are people like Anne W. out there fighting the fight for the rest of us!E.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17106082488141824066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-7232783219174422702010-10-30T08:56:27.904-05:002010-10-30T08:56:27.904-05:00Eliza, love the blog. I find it very sustaining.
...Eliza, love the blog. I find it very sustaining. <br />I've been thinking about Anonymous's comment a lot recently, and what I find I object to most in it is precisely what I once objected to about cultural studies in general: the near-exclusive analysis of surface-level "representations" rather than material conditions. <br />Unless I'm very much mistaken, the argument for leaving traditionally feminine fields isn't because they're "icky" or have been "cootified" (to borrow your words) but because they don't pay. Period. <br />My guess is that most of us are perfectly willing to do something "icky" and girly if it paid well. I certainly would.Caitlinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-60780511674358369222010-10-27T11:45:00.185-05:002010-10-27T11:45:00.185-05:00Thanks, anonymous, for your thoughtful comment on ...Thanks, anonymous, for your thoughtful comment on the so-called "feminization" of certain professional fields. I can definitely see your point that it's a slippery slope argument: if we keep advising one another to flee female-dominated industries (like education, nursing, and library work) in order to make more $ and have more independence and professional respect, eventually there will be nowhere left to go. It's only a matter of time before women start flooding, and perhaps even dominating, nearly every professional field. (Which would be great, of course.) <br /><br />At that point there won't really beed as much of a need to worry about feminizied fields. But in the meantime I do think, at least for me, that knowing certain jobs pay less or carry less professional weight b/c they are associated primarily with "expendable" women is a major turn off. I don't want women to be viewed this way, and I absolutely don't want to start off on another career path with limited financial prospects, but I'm not sure what the solution is exactly. Seems like something to be considered on a case-by-case basis depending on where one's passions truly lie.E.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17106082488141824066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-11269737762681300692010-10-26T17:22:21.292-05:002010-10-26T17:22:21.292-05:00I have to admit, I get very uncomfortable in a lot...I have to admit, I get very uncomfortable in a lot of conversations about the feminization of certain disciplines or kinds of work, because no matter how concerned or serious or feminist the commentator, they might as well just be saying "cootiefication." Feminization is represented as terminal, unlike male-domination in fields: once a field is female-dominated, pay and status drop through the floor and everyone who does it is constantly, and not directly, made to feel bad about contributing to the situation by being another female teacher, another female professional writer, another female administrator. Get enough women together in a field and they just screw each other over, the narrative goes. But it's also irreversible -- shifts in gender balance only go one way*. The ideal position for a woman is to be incredibly talented, driven, and successful in a prestigious male-dominated field; the ideal position for a man is the same. Unfortunately, the numbers won't let <i>everyone</i> do this, but they'll accommodate a hell of a lot more men than women.<br /><br />But I'm awed by how well trained some of us are to flee the hordes of underpaid women, wash ourselves thoroughly, WORK OUT WORK OUT WORK OUT WORK OUT until our bodies are hard as glass, and go off in search of that noble, open frontier for the special women who haven't been professionally "feminized" yet -- which is to say, a job that pays enough to let you make your own decisions for decades. But it's not just pay. It's the helplessness imputed to the women in female-dominated fields: if the field is majority-female, clearly there's no power, no leadership, and no connection to the realms of real power and leadership without a designated, identifiable Liaison to Masculinity. Better to be a Liaison to Masculinity! Quick, do it before a bunch of other girls get there and make it all icky.<br /><br />* This is famously not true with computers, I think, and I'm sure there are other exceptions. But I'm trying to describe the workings of a fantasy, and I'm pretty sure it's not solely my fantasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-88301572484573211052010-10-16T13:59:44.475-05:002010-10-16T13:59:44.475-05:00@FPJS, best of luck to you, and good for you just ...@FPJS, best of luck to you, and good for you just saying NO to exploitative jobs. <br /><br />I used to be a non-capitalist feminist, but after observing what you've mentioned, I decided that didn't work. Now moving towards tech, which is a growing and lucrative field -- money first, history and writing best kept as a hobby.<br /><br />@EW and @FPJS: Here's hoping that a few years from now drinking some expensive booze, arm-wrestling over which humanity is the least sellable (seriously, man, try saying "Classics" to anyone and watch their expression) and moving more female PhDs along the Underground.<br /><br />Till then, back to my resumes/website. (What, me procrastinate?)WorstProfEverhttp://www.worstprofessorever.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-30581491947664418942010-10-16T12:19:08.650-05:002010-10-16T12:19:08.650-05:00@ Worstprofever & Eliza Woolf. I've had co...@ Worstprofever & Eliza Woolf. I've had contacts in the corporate world tell me that positions that are part-time, contractual, and/or low-paid (like freelance writing, proofreading, and editing gigs)are almost universally dominated by women. <br /><br />For this reason, I've avoided adjunct teaching, library work, crappy tenure-track jobs, publishing jobs, low-level admin jobs, and high school teaching. Instead, I'm searching for a field/career track that will actually compensate me well for my efforts. <br /><br />Needless to say, as a humanities PhD I'm still searching.Female PhD Job Seekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-3456215043509774952010-10-16T12:11:59.226-05:002010-10-16T12:11:59.226-05:00Good point. If you look at English faculty salarie...Good point. If you look at English faculty salaries in particular, they're already the lowest in academe. (Other than history.) And English departments everywhere are well known for being the domain of women. The vast majority of higher ed staff positions are also filled by women, which is why I am always surprised to hear that a PhD became an administrator and actually made a good salary, without taking the traditional (faculty first) route. And then there is the world of publishing: chock hull of women and some of lowest salaries in the world. The list goes on . . .E.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17106082488141824066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-23605524199840464042010-10-16T08:40:29.904-05:002010-10-16T08:40:29.904-05:00Oh, don't even get me started on the women in ...Oh, don't even get me started on the women in academia issue! Three people I know independently came to the conclusion that academic is the new school teacher -- i.e. ridiculously low pay for too much work, social "respect" without actual status, and therefore destined to become 90% female. This is one reason I'm so adamant about moving into a field where I can make some money, darn it. Economic empowerment, here we come!WorstProfEverhttp://www.worstprofessorever.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-4825150579602180132010-10-16T07:51:40.515-05:002010-10-16T07:51:40.515-05:00I agree! The division between admin/faculty is unf...I agree! The division between admin/faculty is unfortunate and even when a possible remedy is proposed, people poo-poo it. What a shame. I also think the gender issue here is quite interesting. It's mostly women with PhDs who've taken the admin path and are still hoping to keep their big toes in the academic puddle. But die-hard academics don't appreciate interlopers, as a rule, and other admin types don't appreciate colleagues who have faculty-style aspirations. <br />It reminds me of the spousal hire battle: "You chose to love another academic, dumb ass. So suffer the consequences, buck up, and run, don't walk, your application to Target! No one cares about your plight!!"E.W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17106082488141824066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-76253271311295162832010-10-16T07:27:41.158-05:002010-10-16T07:27:41.158-05:00Thanks for reporting on what the Chronic's doi...Thanks for reporting on what the Chronic's doing - I honestly can't bear to read it anymore.<br /><br />It's really unfortunate to see people so divided, because I think teacher/administrator is a much more sane job description than teacher/scholar. Screw the research -- if people need to see evidence that teachers are doing something useful in all their luxurious "free" time, why shouldn't it be support-type stuff? I've met some very happy people who have teacher/admin gigs -- though (surprise surprise) they're still paid a pittance if they're called lecturer and way too much if they get the title of dean/director etc. Bifurcation, you betcha.WorstProfEverhttp://www.worstprofessorever.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7333162355327458803.post-8248656177917189222010-10-15T12:42:56.049-05:002010-10-15T12:42:56.049-05:00You should see some of the more recent CHE comment...You should see some of the more recent CHE comments. There really is a deeply held perception that admin and faculty should not cross paths or perform similar tasks. Contributing to the university, in whatever form, should be reward enough. Oh, how sweet!Corinnenoreply@blogger.com